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Monday, June 11, 2007

Reagan Mantle Too Big for Ron Paul

Libertarian conservatives have been busy artificially bolstering the myth that their presidential candidate of choice, Ron Paul, has a strong grass-roots base and wide appeal. During Fox News’ sophomoric cell phone text message voting during the second GOP presidential candidates’ debate, Ron Paul’s boosters voted early and often, causing the post-debate results to appear skewed toward the opinion that Paul was the winner of the debate, despite his trip to the proverbial woodshed courtesy of Rudy Giuliani for his argument that America brought 9/11 upon itself. Initially I thought that perhaps some of Paul’s poll votes were coming from Democrats hoping to dilute strong performances by Giuliani or Romney by voting for the least likely and most provocative of the candidates. However, comments posted by Paul supporters on conservative Internet sites or in blogs indicate that Paul is viewed by some as the only true conservative in the race and a champion of the constitution. Of course, Paul himself declares that he stands for the constitution, and on the surface that sounds like an honorable position to hold.

When it comes to government spending and government involvement in social matters, Paul’s urgings to limit government only to the duties expressly permitted by the constitution have appeal and resonate well in conservative circles. What conservative doesn’t want to see certain federal governmental departments disbanded and their duties reverted back to local and state authorities? What conservative doesn’t want to see the dreaded income tax disappear? To some conservatives, the economic/social aspects of Paul’s libertarian-leaning principles are a siren song by which they wish to be led, if only someone holding those views could actually secure the GOP nomination. Paul clearly is not a candidate that can win a national election, and for clear-thinking conservatives who can look past their own personal benefits from no income tax and smaller government, the reason for Paul’s lack of appeal is easy to identify.

Ron Paul is no Ronald Reagan. Paul’s supporters may claim he is the true representative of conservatism in the current candidate field, but Paul has an Achilles heel that keeps Reagan conservatives and Regan Democrats alike from ever considering him as anything more than a campaign footnote: He is selective about which portions of the constitution he would adhere to strictly, and “provide for the common defense” is not among them.

In the second GOP candidates’ debate, Paul stated the following:
They attack us because we've been over there. We've been bombing Iraq for 10 years. We've been in the Middle East [for years]. I think [Ronald Reagan] was right. We don't understand the irrationality of Middle Eastern politics. Right now, we're building an embassy in Iraq that is bigger than the Vatican. We're building 14 permanent bases. What would we say here if China was doing this in our country or in the Gulf of Mexico? We would be objecting…

…They’re not attacking us because we’re rich and free, they’re attacking us because we’re over there.

Reagan directly repudiated Paul’s isolationist foreign policies 23 years ago on the beach at Normandy, France, a site where American intervention in foreign affairs proved most decisive in freeing Europe from Nazi enslavement:
The Boys of Pointe Du Hoc
June 6, 1984, Normandy

We in America have learned bitter lessons from two world wars. It is better to be here ready to protect the peace, than to take blind shelter across the sea, rushing to respond only after freedom is lost. We've learned that isolationism never was and never will be an acceptable response to tyrannical governments with an expansionist intent. But we try always to be prepared for peace, prepared to deter aggression, prepared to negotiate the reduction of arms, and yes, prepared to reach out again in the spirit of reconciliation.

Reagan conservatives and Reagan Democrats need look no further than Reagan’s statement to find sufficient reason to shun Ron Paul’s isolationist ideas. Paul claimed during the second GOP candidates’ debate that the U.S. has been bombing Iraq for 10 years, as if it were unjustified and indiscriminate bombing of cities. That is patently false. Prior to Operation Iraqi Freedom in 2003, the U.S. had occasionally bombed Iraq’s air defense stations or shot down Iraqi aircraft because Iraq regularly violated the no-fly zone enacted by the cease-fire that halted the first Gulf War. Paul chooses to ignore the fact that the Gulf War was, as Reagan prescribed, a “response to a tyrannical government with an expansionist intent.” Saddam invaded neighboring Kuwait solely for expansionist and economic motives. He wanted Kuwait’s oil and Kuwait’s ports, and Kuwait’s accumulated wealth, and so decided to take it by force. World leaders in 1991 had the fortitude to band together and, led by the U.S. military, pushed Saddam back behind his original borders. Had Saddam not violated the terms of the cease-fire by targeting our aircraft, there would have been no need for any further bombing. The defense of the no-fly zone lasted from 1991 until Operation Iraqi Freedom made it a moot point by removing Saddam from the equation because of his failure to abide by any of the UN conditions for the cease-fire enacted in 1991. Thus the current Operation Iraqi Freedom is merely a resumption of hostilities and is a continuation of the Gulf War.

Saddam, like Hitler, was removed, and rebuilding a nation and protecting it from foreign interference by those with designs on fomenting chaos, much like post WWII, is why our troops remain in Iraq. Had Ron Paul been president instead of Truman or Eisenhower, all of Germany would have fallen under Soviet occupation and Japan would have been overrun by Soviet or Chinese forces seeking retribution because Paul would have pulled American troops out of both places and brought them home immediately upon conclusion of the war. There would have been no Marshall Plan, no rebuilding and friendship alliance with Japan. No BMWs; no VWs; no Hondas; no Toyotas. Likewise, in Paul’s isolationist world, there would be no democratic South Korea. There would only be communist Korea, since Paul would not have committed U.S. troops to defend the free people of South Korea.

Ron Paul wants America to approach foreign policy with a pre-WWI mentality, when the mindset centered on the idea that America should not involve itself in any foreign war, and we nearly allowed all of Europe to be defeated by Germany. That war was so destructive that the isolationists redoubled their efforts between 1919 and 1941 to keep America from ever entangling itself in a foreign war. That isolationism resulted in Nazi occupation of continental Europe and Scandinavia, and horrific bombings of England. It also cost 6 million Jews their lives while Americans, who thought then as Ron Paul now does about intervention, stood silently on the sidelines of history, much to their condemnation.

Paul’s supporters should consider another sentence from Reagan’s powerful speech at Normandy. His explanation for why America’s military remained in Europe to confront potential Soviet aggression long after WWII, was simple, profound, and prophetic of our continued presence in Iraq:
Today, as forty years ago, our armies are here for only one purpose: to protect and defend democracy.

Regardless of how Iraq’s democracy came into existence, it is there now. Iraq has a constitution. Iraq has a democratically elected parliament that represents the wide variety of religious and tribal divisions of its population. It is imperfect, and it is often contentious, but so was America’s in its early years. The question Paul should be forced to address is, “Does America have a duty or role in history to protect and defend democracy in the world?” As an isolationist he will argue that such is not America’s role as it is not defined in the constitution. Reagan understood history far better than Paul, who would like to believe that the world begins and ends at America’s shores and nothing that occurs in foreign lands is worthy of intervention unless American interests are directly threatened. Technically speaking, from an economic/trade point of view, would it have made any difference to isolationists like Paul if Europe had been enslaved by Hitler as long as Hitler let America alone? America could have conducted normal trade in goods with Nazi Europe, including lucrative arms sales. Rescuing Britain, France, and Italy from Nazi control certainly involved an enormously “entangling alliance,” something George Washington warned of and Paul concurs with wholeheartedly. Why then did America free Europe and remain there in defensive posture for decades? The answer, as Reagan stated so perfectly, is that isolationism has never been and never will be an appropriate response to tyranny. Tyranny must be confronted wherever it exists, defeated, and replaced by freedom. Ron Paul would rather put his head in the sand and selfishly keep democracy and liberty all to himself.

Reagan understood something that Paul does not: America does not hold an exclusive right to freedom. America does not possess liberty out of luck or superior intellect. America is free and powerful because it is destined to use that power to spread and preserve freedom throughout the world. Paul’s strict but selective constitutional adherence seems to ignore that the right to liberty is identified in the Declaration of Independence, not as an American, English, or French right, but a right that belongs to all men, presumably even those in the Middle East whom Paul would abandon as apparently unworthy of these Jeffersonian words:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

This is the great issue of our time, and Paul falls woefully short in his willingness to engage in the defense of freedom. His GOP opponents more closely resemble the Reagan tradition. For example, when asked in the third GOP candidates’ debate what was the most important moral issue facing America, Giuliani replied that the greatest moral issue is whether America will share its blessings of freedom and liberty with the rest of the world. Conservatives should not allow themselves to be fooled by the Ron Paul Internet “phenomenon.” Paul was declared the winner of two GOP candidates’ debates by MSNBC, CNN, Politico, Slate, ABC News, and myriad other left-leaning media sources. A review of Wikipedia’s Ron Paul page certainly could leave an undiscerning reader with the idea that Paul has widespread support and is whipping all comers in the GOP debates. The liberal slant is obvious. Clearly from an ideological perspective liberals do not embrace Ron Paul’s libertarian views, so why is he the darling of the media and many Internet blogs? Quite simply, it is because Paul is 2008’s Ross Perot. If even 3 percent of conservative voters are swayed by Paul, it could spell the difference in a tight race and throw victory to the left, just as Perot’s theatrics did in 1992 and 1996. The left knows this and is in fact counting on it for victory.

Libertarian conservatives should not worship Paul as the constitutional savior they hold him out to be, and Reagan Conservatives and Reagan Democrats should remember that Paul is an isolationist hoarder of liberty, unwilling to preserve it among nations who possess it or share it with oppressed peoples who long for it and implore America to help them obtain it.

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10 comments:

Anonymous said...

Thought provoking piece...

For Constitutionalists, I didn't really see an argument. You claim that he is selective in his adherence but failed to provide examples. It seems that "he can't win" (which I disagree with)is what you stand on. If Paul can't win and you are in favor of Consitutional government which current Candidate that gives this position more than lip service can win? The Constitutional party candidate? The LP candidate? There's certainly no one else in either major parties that qualify.

As far as Reaganites go: I volunteered for Reagan and the Republicans when I was in high school. I remember the consternation in the local party office when he failed to move on States Rights, failed to stand behind the SoCons and their desire for reliable Supreme Court nominations, and failed to protect the border signing the first amnesty with enforcement soon to follow. So, in some sense it would be great if Paul didn't completely emulate the Gipper.

An Isolationist position is hard to hold given WWII. What ifs are hard to play. Who knows what would have happened if Hitler had kept Europe. Would he have blead himself dry in Russia? It's just too hard to guess.

Ultimately, I think each people and nation have to find the solution for themselves. The Soviet regime ended under Reagan but that was not without considerable social development in places like Poland and Prague.

The concept of trying nation building in the Middle East or Africa seems absurd to me. It's the concept of simply solving a problem or promoting development by throwing money at it. The inefectiveness of this aproach should be known by now. If it can't work with a local school district, how is it ever going to address vast cultural differences and nation building?

The concept that the US should use its resources to become as great as it can be and leading by example makes more sense to me.

O-Be-Wise said...

Thanks for your comments, Anonymous. I don't stand on the "he can't win" position. I stand on the "He must not win because he would be bad for America and the free world" position, especially since he won't lift a finger to protect or spread democracy as an isolationist.

As for not providing an example of his slective adherence to the constitution, he would be a strict constructionist on the economy, taxes, etc., but would not provide for the common defense, which is mandated by that document. How does isolationism provide for the common defense? If communism, or fascism, or Nazism or radical Islam, or any other extreme political ideology were allowed unimpeded aggression or domination, America would find itself the lone democracy. Is that a safe position? Providing for the common defense involves curbing tyranny or oppression and sharing the blessings of liberty among all nations. Paul selectively neglects this aspect of the constitution, preferring instead to believe that withdrawing our troops to within our borders is sound national security practice. The surest way to provide for the common defense is to make efforts to be surrounded by like-minded nations and peoples who cherish their freedom. Our staunchest allies, outside of Britain and Australia, today are the former Soviet republics and communist oppressed nations, such as Poland, Bulgaria, and the Czech Republic. The spread of liberty is the ultimate defense against all -isms. Paul doesn't get it, Reagan did and to some extent Bush does. Giuliani and Thompson (Fred) and Gingrich (Newt) and Romney all seem to have a better grasp of this principle than Paul.

O-Be-Wise said...

Anonymous continued,
I forgot to mention also that my post on Fred Thompson's abortion stance contains a good description of why "states rights" is not the panacea that libertarians and other like-minded conservatives would like everyone to believe. Too many abhorrent policies and behaviors have been preserved and defended through the invocation of "states rights." Slavery and segregation were two such failures of "states rights." "States rights" has become the issue avoidance tactic of all politicians seeking national office. It allows them to take no position at all by stating the issue should be up to the individual states. THompson used it to conceal his rather liberal abortion record, invoking states rights while not affirming one way or the other whether he is pro-life. Whether abortion is a states rights issue is irrelevant. It is a life issue, and the federal government is empowered to preserve/promote life (preamble). It is not a states rights issue, but Thompson used that crutch to avoid taking a position. Most of the states rights argument is merely buck passing of hot potato issues (part of the title of my Thompson abortion post).

i enjoyed your feedback and appreciate your participation.

Unknown said...

The errors were too numerous to address in the comment section, so I fisked this here:

>Radical Centrist

Anonymous said...

I tell you what — you pay the illegal corporate Federal Income tax on my wages and the hidden Federal Reserve inflationary tax on my retirement savings for the rest of my life, and you might have an audience here against Ron Paul.

Whaddya say — deal, or no deal?

woo said...

You really need to go re-read the constitution. The preamble doesn't grant any power to the government. The passing on of the blessings of liberty are to our children, not countries half way around the world. The congress is responsible for declaring war and unless theirs an attack on us or an attack is eminent (as in you don't have enough time to debate it in congress), then the president can use the military without a declaration of war. Etc. Etc.

Couple of things for you to consider for abortion - there is no federal statute required to prevent homicide. Homicide is handled by the state/local governments, not the federal government. Why would abortion be any different? To say that Ron Paul has been silent on the issue is just plain untruthful. Maybe you should check out the 9th and 10th amendments really carefully before you throw all your rights to the federal government.

And finally, you keep using the word isolationist. I don't think it means what you think it means because Ron Paul is anything but isolationist. There's a drastic difference between non-intervention and isolation. We are more isolated now, we trade with only those we see fit and we are hated more than ever. Next time you want to "share" liberty with our :neighbors" at gun point, think about how you would feel if someone was doing the same to you. Why is that such a crazy concept for good moral christian folk to understand (2000 years later)?

O-Be-Wise said...

First, even though some reactions here appear somewhat emotional, I thank you for your input.

There is an important distinction between "isolated" and "isolationism." Isolationism is a foreign policy that a nation chooses, while being isolated usually is a condition applied against one nation by others. I disagree that America is isolated now more than ever, as Andrew wrote in his comment. Canada, France, and Germany have all undergone recent governmental changes in which more conservative, pro-American leaders have won elections with the expectation of thawing chilly relations of the past. Both France and Germany are on board with us in preventing Iran from achieving a nuclear bomb. Iraq is a democracy and wants our continued assistance and alliance. In what way is the US more isolated today than it was before the war in Iraq?

The distinction between non-intervention and isolationist is negligible at best. America was non-interventionist through much of the holocaust and right up until Britain was left alone to save the world from Hitler. At some point morality must supercede political philosophy and intervention is required. At what point would Ron Paul the non-interventionist agree to enter a war if America itself was not attacked?

Andrew, you wrote: "Next time you want to "share" liberty with our :neighbors" at gun point, think about how you would feel if someone was doing the same to you." Can you name one instance in which America has shared liberty at gun point? If you are referring to Iraq, are you saying we forced freedom and liberty upon an unwilling nation? Perhaps you haven't been reading the news from IRaq. Did you miss the purple fingers and the Iraqis who waited in long lines to vote despite suicide bombers and snipers? Iraq's elected government is pleading with us not to abandon them before they can adequately defend themselves, but their commitment to self-determination was not forced upon them. It was there all along, only suppressed and oppressed by Saddam.

Your comments on abortion were interesting. Paul considers abortion to be a states rights issue, but that won't help children conceived in California, or Massachusetts, or other liberal states. Protection of life must be uniform in all states and that can only come from federal law. Don't forget that in the cases of the slain civil rights workers in Mississippi, the local murder statutes were useless because of racist juries and judges. The murderers were tried for violations of the victims' civil rights, one of which was the right to life, enforceable by the federal government. While I would not surrender all my rights to the federal government, there is certainly ample historical evidence of misuse of local and state law to condone slavery, segregation, and other societal ills than you will find under federal law, which has helped eliminate those practices. Defense of marriage is another area where that will come into play. States cannot preserve marriage without a federal amendment. Despite movie and TV depictions, the federal government is not always the enemy.

It is interesting that the Paul supporters come out in force to belittle Reagan's policies as a defense of Paul. The point of my post was that the GOP appears to be seeking the most Reagan-like candidate it can find for 2008, and Ron Paul does not fit that mantle. I explained why he was not like Reagan. Thank you for pointing out further illustrations of the differences between ROn Paul and Ron Reagan.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for your respectful reply to my first post.

So, your criticism of Paul on Constitutional lines is that he is insufficiently dedicated to defending the nation.

Defending the nation is indeed important. The question is how best to accomplish this. I believe that a strong military is important as a deterrent. I don't believe that we have to have (or can afford) police stations strewn about the world. I believe the best method to be surrounded by like minded states is to lead by example. Technology, efficiency, productivity, freedom... wealth and respect will achieve these ends quickest.

We've spent untold wealth in Iraq and Afghanistan. I'd wager that if the hundreds of billions of dollars used on the war would have instead been used to develop alternative fuels and become energy independent, we'd be safer and our society would continue to have the international edge. And of course bankrupting the people that bank roll terrorism would be much more satisfying than what we've actually accomplished against the people truly responsible.

Wealth will not always be sufficient to protect the nation. Sometimes war will be necessary. The constitution provides for this. Ron Paul authored a declaration of war on Iraq but the measure didn't make it out of committee.

I'm not a big fan of Lincoln but his words on the Spanish war are insightful:

"Allow the President to invade a neighboring nation, whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion, and you allow him to do so, whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such purpose – and you allow him to make war at pleasure. Study to see if you can fix any limit to his power in this respect, after you have given him so much as you propose. If, today, he should choose to say he thinks it necessary to invade Canada, to prevent the British from invading us, how could you stop him? You may say to him, 'I see no probability of the British invading us' but he will say to you 'be silent; I see it, if you don't.' The provision of the Constitution giving the war-making power to Congress, was dictated, as I understand it, by the following reasons: Kings had always been involving and impoverishing their people in wars, pretending generally, if not always, that the good of the people was the object. This, our Convention understood to be the most oppressive of all Kingly oppressions; and they resolved to so frame the Constitution that no one man should hold the power of bringing this oppression upon us."

Lincoln wrote these words while America was at war with Mexico, under the presidency of James Polk, and while Lincoln was a member of Congress. But Lincoln did more than talk about the fraud that had been used to launch that illegal and imperialistic war. He introduced a resolution demanding that Polk provide proof. Polk claimed to have launched that war only after American blood had been shed on American soil. Lincoln's resolution required Polk to identify the spot where that blood had been shed.

"Let him answer fully, fairly, and candidly," Lincoln said of the wartime President. "Let him answer with facts and not with arguments. Let him attempt no evasion, no equivocation."

When President Polk did not answer, Lincoln and John Quincy Adams sought a formal investigation of the president's pre-war intelligence claims, and of his use of secret funds to launch his fraudulent and illegal war. Under this pressure, Polk announced that he would not seek reelection. Lincoln, Adams, and their allies in Congress then passed a resolution honoring the service of Major General Zachary Taylor "in a war unnecessarily and unconstitutionally begun by the President of the United States."

I don't believe that Paul is soft on defense. I think he requires war to be Constitutional or addressing an actual threat. He did vote to go into Afghanistan and he forwarded the declaration of war for Iraq.

We seek constructivists for our courts. Why not the other branches of government?

On Thompson:

States rights will certainly involve just about every State doing something that at least one other State deems abhorrent. It's part of the price of Liberty. It's also the foundation and supposed legal core of our nation. If changes are needed, there's an amendment process. If this process is insufficient, originally, States had the ultimate freedom.... they could leave.

There's a growing divide between ideological conservatives and movement conservatives. I see little reason why those interested in the philosophic underpinnings of conservativism, should support the current Republican Party apart from Paul.

O-Be-Wise said...

Thanks Anonymous for your continued focused and thoughtful exchange of ideas. The quote from Lincoln is very appropriate and too often overlooked. Thank you for sharing it here as a reminder to all. If Paul is concerned about the "new" doctrine of preemptive war, why does he level that concern in the context of Iraq? Is he concerned that President Bush has too much power? The president did seek and receive from Congress an authorization to use force in Iraq to depose Saddam Hussein and dismantle the WMD facilities international pre-war intelligence indicated were there. The comparison with Polk's Mexican war is unfair to Bush, since Polk manipulated US intelligence, while Bush would have to have masterminded a global conspiracy of all pertinent intelligence agencies, given that every nation with an intelligence service concurred that Saddam was building and storing WMD. Bush acted in good faith, sought authority and support from the people's elected officials, and then resumed the military action that had paused for a 12 year cease-fire after Saddam was driven back into Iraq from Kuwait in 1991.

The idea of preemptive war is also troubling to me in many respects; it is a practice that should not be used often or casually. However, what great suffering the world could have been spared had Europe preemptively disarmed Hitler when he first began violating the prohibitions against rearmament imposed by the Treaty of Versailles after WWI! Everyone could see, but no one wanted to admit or confront the evil and danger they saw rising in Germany, and they appeased it until it swallowed all but Britain, thanks to Churchill.

Perhaps the issue isn't so much preemptive war as it is enforcement of non-proliferation. Once a nation has WMD, it is too late for preemptive war, thus military force may be required to prevent or preempt completion of nuclear production, as Israel did to Saddam previously. Where would Paul stand on preemptive strikes under the banner of enforcing nuclear non-proliferation? Would his non-interventionism allow military action against a nation that had not technically attacked America, yet? Paul will never be taken seriously by voters until they feel comfortable that he would defend the nation proactively rather than merely defensively. Giuliani and others score huge points with voters with the slogan "stay on offense in the War on Terror." Paul is seen as supporting only a defensive posture and most Americans are convinced that will get us all killed.

I agree with you that leading by example is the best way to foster freedom and liberty in the world. Ironically, Iraq is following our example quite closely, with a bitterly divided government, political infighting, waste, some corruption, but ultimately a commitment to keeping itself intact as a governing body. I am not so concerned with the untold wealth we have poured into Iraq and Afghanistan. How much is freedom worth? How high is too high a price to pay for liberty, for ourselves, and for others. That is what it boils down to. Are we committed only to our own freedom or to the ideal of freedom for all mankind? Reagan was a big picture president, who was devoted to the concept of liberty and justice for all peoples, and in his vision countries would gain their freedom and embrace it as communism was lifted from their oppressed shoulders. The renewed patriotism we all felt in America during the Reagan years was in large part due to the pride we felt in our role in defending and spreading freedom to all mankind. There are still many tough nuts to crack, such as China, but that day will come too. Reagan had no doubt that the cause was just, and that is why he was beloved or respected at home and abroad. Paul does not generate that type of sentiment because isolationists are viewed as miserly when it comes to fostering liberty outside our borders.

I agree with quite a few of Paul's positions, but ultimately, given the nature of Islamic terrorism, the era of American non-interventionism is over. I do feel that Paul harbors the belief that if we would withdraw behind our own borders and never set foot in the Middle East again terrorists would stop targeting Americans and we would be loved. Many nations of eastern Europe adopted that same strategy with Hitler. They were attacked, unprovoked, and so to will we be unless we are actively disrupting terrorist networks before they can act. This one issue alone, will keep Paul from being a serious contender, and rightfully so. America needs a Reagan or a Churchill at this time, not a Neville Chamberlain, well meaning but naive about the nature of the enemy.

Anonymous said...

This is turning into a deliciously complex conversation. Thanks for the thoughtful discourse.

The quote from Lincoln does bring up the question of preemptive war and certainly has some striking similarities to Bush's current situation, but it was intended to question undeclared war.

There should be very few people that lay the complete blame on Bush. Sometimes branches of government are overly protective of their power. Congress recently seems to be passing their responsibilities to the other branches in order to avoid electoral anger. Instead of the difficult job of fixing legislation they leave it to the courts. Instead of facing the dangers of actually putting the US on a war footing comparable to WWII they create a new path for war that give them wiggle room for when things go bad. Bush is not the scape goat. Apart from Paul, who gives more than lip service or opportunistic support for the Constitution?

Hitler and Hussein are both stories of unintended consequences. If we had not supported Versailles would Hitler have arisen? Ultimately did Germany benefit from its aggressive military? If we hadn't armed Hussein would he have been able to eventually take out Kuwait? We initially funded the Taliban and Bin Laden. We are now supplying both Shia and Sunni's and finding our own weapons after insurgent attacks. How do you stop the ramifications of earlier actions? At some point, if you find yourself in a hole, you just have to quit digging.

This is a problem across the board for conservatives. How to retrace a wrong turn. How do we reverse more than a century of problematic involvement in the Middle East? How do we extricate ourselves from a domestic Socialism that has been allowed to develop for nearly as long?

The danger with Paul is that he will take us back too quickly causing massive social upheaval. The danger of anyone else is that the expansion of government will not slow but continue to expand and we will have missed our chance. If Paul is not elected, how long will we have to wait for another candidate that is actually willing to tow the line on the Constitution? On the other side, has the Republican Party abandoned their support for this foundation and those that hold it dear?